Just because they live here then it does not mean they are British Citizens. The authorities need to check the criminal status of anybody requesting Citizenship; Citizenship is not automatic. The simplified system that is proposed post Brexit still requires that the applicants fulfil the necessary criteria, of which I believe not being a criminal is one.
I agree that the illegal immigrant problem is unchanged, and the immigrants are usually not from EU Countries. The repatriation of illegal immigrants or criminals to their native Country will always run into potential conflicts with Human Rights issues.
I also agree that the continental Countries do not do that much to prevent the immigrant stream to this Country, and do not expect this to get any better after Brexit.
However, maybe Brexit is the answer to this problem, since according to all the naysayers our economy is about to implode and the currency will become worthless, so we will then join the ranks of the third world, which will make the UK unattractive as a place to move to.
Personally I think that one solution to the current situation would be to construct camps for illegal immigrants and non-UK convicted criminals on one of our remoter dependencies (e.g. Falkland Island). The people can be given a choice before being sent there, either return to their native land of their own free will (allbeit at our expense) or be sent to the camp pending resolution of their case.
Telegraph article manly by LEAVE campaign in 2016 with Pics of criminals to the Fore.
Reading the article EU trying to protect the principle of FOM especially when people are released on Parole where no sentence is given.
James Brockenshire immigration minsiter said "Brussels renegotiation made it easier to deport foriegn criminals"
Andy Bramalls comment "As a D Day vet I am disgusted at the use of this battle by the LEAVE campaign, We fought WW2 to an end and greater European cooperation rather than british Isolationism helped keep the peace " Struck a note..so
If anyone thinks the LEAVE/UKIP campaign are patriotic read this link on the British co TATE & LYLE comments appreciated..
Good Morning Soi and thanks for the thumbs up,
I'm looking for a slightly lower entry than you with a limit buy set @ 66.25, I'm also teasingly close to filling a limit sell on Vod @ 31 I've had set for a while........and there she goes.......
Bowman - where can your criminals be deported to now that we have Brexit? Hasn't the present negotiation re-enforced the right to be British citizens if they have been in the country for the required amount of time? On the other hand, we will get no assistance from France and the Netherlands preventing illegal immigrants leaving the EU via the Channel (or underneath it).
"This is getting to be a nice friendly BB every one getting on
with each other and talking about what this great company is doing."
A great tongue-in-cheek comment that sums up a lot. True that Brexit & related-issues dominate here. That'll continue until final Brexit terms known &, hopefully, a 2nd vote granted to clear the air. If only for Parliament, including in the event of a majority rejection, for other legal procedures as an option.
With passions running high on both sides, at times things won't be too friendly, nor would I frankly expect it. Before final terms known, there'll be many more twists & turns. Yet at the end of it, much of the nation will still remain divided.
Later, unless Brexit is a success, probably within a decade, such will be the growing demand for a new EU Referendum from younger generations, almost certainly we'll get another EU vote within our lifetimes. This issue unlikely to go away.
If then the majority vote to rejoin, I think our re-entry will be on different terms. Almost certainly we'd have to accept the Euro, if not Schengen.
As most appreciate, UK has had border checks in France & unlike across the EU, there was no freedom of movement to UK. Hence huge migrant camps across EU & in Calais. Overall, we had a fairly good deal in some respects.
As you know, LLOY's will be more affected by Brexit than most UKX stocks.
I'm glad to be out with my gains for now as house prices in many areas really are at busting point & there's only so long that tax-payer funded schemes like "help to buy" or the bank of Mum & Dad for the relatively lucky few, can keep this particular Ponzi racket going.
IMO, LLOY will be £1 again later. But as long as we have strong resistance below 69, that's some way off. Brexit is likely to prolong that resistance for some time yet.
Less certain is how low it might go before breaking resistance. Whenever it's dropped in recent months, 62+ remained a key level of support. Hopefully that remains intact if re-tested. If 62 went, sub-60 would surprise few.
For my money, with an increasingly weak UK govt that could fall before Brexit finalised, too much uncertainty for me to pile back in just yet, though a buy-back below 65p may be considered. Just the risk of a Corbyn-SNP coalition would fuel a massive exit from the FTSE, including LLOY. But whereas some sectors may be more defensive, I think banks like LLOY would be badly hit.
Of course I could be wrong & this is back above 70 early next year, so no advice meant. - All the best! Catch all later.
Although didn`t post here had an almost identical trade to yours yesterday, a mere 100th pt difference in entry and exit.
I`ve long in mind, perhaps if 66.35 or lower seen.
If drops below 66, almost a cert to try long scalp.
Still have 3 shorts in, am considering trying to switch over to long in case there is a bit of a YE rally.
UAE's struggling with the weakness of his arguments and his prejudices. They don't stand up to reasoned scrutiny so whereas he started on Brexit and Juncker, he now has to rope in the whole wide world and things that are nothing to do with the EU at all.
He also has a delusion that there is a "moderator" censoring his every word whereas in fact he is up against computerised screening that picks up on unacceptable phrases and words. Most of us don't have this problem.
He still hasn't explained how Juncker has stopped the UK from deporting EU criminals. I guess he just made it up.
UAE I thought we were discussing the EU and you come up with a link about Tanzania pardoning child racists??
Not sure anybody would defend this but what on EARTH has it to do with the Brexit.
Maybe you should scour the press for white countries with human rights violations but maybe they dont come up on the media you research.
Wow got a bit of cynical sarcasm past the moderator. Must count as humour.
Frog you really need to get out more and try and distinguish between the complex web of fantasy of laws we have and what actually happens in real life. You should get a job in Brussels they like to fantasize it's all wonderful and you must do what we say or else.
Hard Brexit the only way to go. Let the bankers suffer and if it gets really had maybe the population will start to fall. Look what happened to the Romans and why worry the Chinese rule the world. Hope I don't have to learn Mandarin only managed a grade 3 French and failed my Latin.
I'm going to have a rest now for now and will send you all a report from the Desert Classic.
Frog, Numb, Oili
I've made several reasoned replies to you all but as soon as I mention any foreign culture the thought police department delete my reply. So let's try a more simplistic approach which should work at your level. Country A is a [email protected], no contraception, governed by religious/tribal cultures that allow systematic human rights abuse of women, children and men. They hear on the grapevine of this wonderful country where you get free healthcare, free housing, free money for not working, more money if you have more kids and no matter what cultural beliefs are they have duty to respect them because they only abolished slavery in 1833 and all the worlds problems are down to them. If you can get there, you just have to burn your passport and say I claim Asylum. Get there quick because the local peasants are getting restless.
Cruel I know but then apparently I have hatred in my heart ( must be from a churchgoer) so let's look at some facts. This link states 417,000 to 850,000 in 2015 but they don't know.
How many now? 1 or 2 million? But then we're a rich country so why bother.
You said "Juncker has made that part of the deal he does not want EU trash back so we have to allow them to breed and prostitute their children for ever..."
I have qoted the parameters for the deportation of EU citizens so I think I must be correct that they can be be deported subject to those conditions. Do you accept this or were you thinking of someting else that I might have missed?
The mysterious deaths that never get investigated? You've either been reading the Guardian or Mail or mixing up UAE with UK. I know where I feel safest and it's not London.
They have only stopped jailing their own nationals for drug addiction/dealing in the last 20 years so why would they allow people to take in opioids which are killing addicts daily?
Maybe priority jobs for UK nationals,look after your own could prove popular hear at least with 52%. No-one works without a valid visa and I never had my passport confiscated. The people at the lower end of the market may have their passports held as if they abscond and work somewhere else the employee is fined. Simple maths if you are a population of 3 million and you have 6 million foreigners working for you, why would you give them a passport or a vote? Answer - your British and stupid.
You clearly had a bad experience or you must be a racist surely?
Let's look at rule of law in the Emirates shall we?
How many years for bringing Tramadol into the country if you are not a Kuwaiti national? But then, if you are "operated" on in the West, and you have residency rights that's OK.
Then there is Sheikh M's extended family and the hundreds of grace and favour jobs. Last January the Sheikh decided to check up on their progress, but only 40% had bothered to turn up to do any non-work at their non-jobs.
Then there are the mysterious deaths which never quite get investigated.
Or the lack of health and safety regulations that are supposed to cover Asian manual/construction workers.
Or the foreign domestics that have their passports confiscated and are never paid.
The same culture operating in a town near you and must be respected."
UAE, this has nothing to do with a 'culture'.....the two men were found guilty and had served 13 years....they were pardoned (incorrectly IMO) by the president of Tanzania. Nothing to do with the morality of a race. You're all mixed up man.
Oh dear, when you read the Daily Mail, you really haven't a clue about anaything.
It is known that certain people from a different culture got away with rape and other serious crimes because the police dare not challenge them for fear of being branded racist. So, so far I agree with you, but from then on your argument goes pear shaped. The EU principle of free movement only applies to EU members and the people referred to above were not from EU countries. So Brexit will make no difference; the fact that we let these people in and took little action to curb their behaviour so the fault is entirely ours.
The Daily Mail will have a nasty shock after we Brexit, because as they blame all our ills on the EU, what will they be able to do?
Now, to answer you question as to how free European movement helps us:
(1) Many Europeans have come in to be nurses in the NHS. Now we are short of nurses as Brexit has put them off.
(2) Bristol is the research centre for Airbus. Many German and French engineers are over here training our people.
(3) Our farmers rely on Europeans to pick the fruit at the end of our season; without them many crops would go to waste.
(4) There are many European companies with factories in the UK, providing thousands of jobs. When we tell them they can only employ UK citizens, they will set up all their factories in the EU,
Bexit will bring us a low wage economy with little job security. We will be back to the days of 'hire and fire' This is exactly what the millionaires financing Brexit want. The working class have been conned big time.
I have read the articles. The two articles are essentially about the same thing. The Times article seems short on actual evidence as it reports perceptions. These may, or may not be true. The Guardian slant on the story may be overly-PC but without better facts neither you nor I are in a position to make any judgement as to the truth of the matter.
We are a country where the rule of law is paramount and where the protection of children is a legal duty on us all. In these circumstances it is for the police to investigate.
I would make the point that the prostitution of others is a crime which is also a problem in the native UK community. In all circumstances it is criminal behaviour.
Your latest link about a presidential pardon is irrelevant as the matter took place in Tanzania.
You are wrong that EU criminals cannot be deported. The rules are for various lengths of residency:
- 0-3 months when the UK can refuse individuals entry or deport them for public policy, public security and public health reasons
- 3 months 5 years when the UK can deport individuals for public policy and public security reasons
- 5 years 10 years when the UK can deport individuals for serious reasons of public policy and public security
- 10 years plus when the UK can deport individuals for imperative reasons of public security
EU citizens are regularly deported back to their home countries.
The two articles do not justify your behaviour. You identified the problem with your own begaviour in your original post which has been perfectly evident over the history of your posts.
Frog you clearly are not prepared to read and learn as the whole point of the links was the point out that the wonderful people of Govanhill are not being prosecuted and can not be deported. Juncker has made that part of the deal he does not want EU trash back so we have to allow them to breed and prostitute their children for ever and the police won't touch them. Down to the PC bull that Guardian journos and pathetic lefties like you spout on a daily basis.
It's you that has the hate in your heart for anybody who speaks out against criminals regardless of colour or greed. If I had hate in my heart I would have done somebody in by now. You keep listening to that charlatan Corbyn and his pathetic agenda.
This is pretty pathetic if it were to be true to your problem, months ago I had a problem with iii and I was told that my username itself was case sensitive, since my user name is my full name - all it meant that someone else could open another account by lowering the case under my name, great.
PS, if you havent tried, make sure the username is filled with username as it appears and not with the account number.
Hope it works out soon for you,
I was thinking of asking you about spread regarding SB but perhaps once you login, today doesnt seem to be a good day to do anything
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I`m trying to close my account with them but cannot.
That is wrong surely ?"
Really sorry to read about these ongoing hassles with iii. I agree it's quite unacceptable & not least as it'll be particularly damaging to any pro trader like you aare. I'd also be livid.
Just a thought & a long shot with you being based in Thailand: here in UK, all those resident here were asked a while ago by brokers & SB providers to give NINs to comply with MiFID II regulations, otherwise our accounts would be inaccessible. The deadline was about 8th December.
For those resident outside UK, then other so-called national identifiers were expected (passport numbers, etc.). I'm of course assuming you input all that required info well before 8th December. As I say, very much a long shot. - All the best as usual!
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